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Atlas ˗ˏˋM&M´ˎ˗

If your brain is asleep, it's asleep.

I see

Lucilyn: sorry, there's a reason we have a channel called metaphysics (edited)

3:08 AM

most the community's really science-minded

3:08 AM

and don't believe in supernatural things

3:09 AM

or claims of stuff like parallel processing without some proof

I just mentioned the brain thing just now-

3:10 AM

like it can't truly shut down to begin with so I think they were somewhat sleep rambling

of course, asleep does not mean "off", the brain does lots of stuff while asleep

tru

3:10 AM

meh forget this discussion its not that important anyway

but it’s not quite the same as wakefulness. Though, perhaps if they dreamed?

Meh I wanted to end this but I can entertain it since it seemed more like it

well, I was still mid typing when you tried dropping it. I just wanted to finish my message

fair enough

3:14 AM

Eh I thought that thing was science based to begin with this topic

3:15 AM

because of the fact it seemed like sleep rambling since they forgot most of what they were doing the moment I started moving and woke up more

3:15 AM

so it might have been one of those void dreams

dreams are cool

Eh I think keeping that in meta is prob best bc I managed to open my eyes

3:16 AM

since I don't know the nature of it

3:16 AM

and it is contradicted by this

Khaos

because of the fact it seemed like sleep rambling since they forgot most of what they were doing the moment I started moving and woke up more

Lucilyn: yeah states of consciousness are seriously wacky, and not studied especially well yet (edited)

when the body is in an N-REM stage, there’s probably little to no conscious thinking possible.

3:16 AM

that is what

3:16 AM

sky said

Reisen

Lucilyn: yeah states of consciousness are seriously wacky, and not studied especially well yet (edited)

fr

Lucilyn: though even we aren't very qualified to talk about them in much depth, and we otherwise consider ourselves very knowledgeable on sleep and dreams (edited)

Khaos

when the body is in an N-REM stage, there’s probably little to no conscious thinking possible.

and I was like THIS but they weren't

Reisen

Lucilyn: though even we aren't very qualified to talk about them in much depth, and we otherwise consider ourselves very knowledgeable on sleep and dreams (edited)

lol

N-REM stages are your stages with lower brain wave frequencies

reminds me of those future dreams ppl have

Skyler 🐉

N-REM stages are your stages with lower brain wave frequencies

my brain is wack anyway i'm gonna have it checked soon anyway

and N-REM stands for not REM, which stands for rapid eye movement, which is when most dreams occur.

Yeah.

3:18 AM

I know

3:18 AM

because rem is when rapid eye moment comes

oki

acronyms are fun tbh

Skyler 🐉

and N-REM stands for not REM, which stands for rapid eye movement, which is when most dreams occur.

(Non-Rapid Eye Movement sleep)

rep

3:20 AM

yep*

3:20 AM

R.E.M or REM rapid eye movement

..autocorrect mush have changed non REM to not REM

3:20 AM

midt*

3:20 AM

MUST*

Skyler 🐉

..autocorrect mush have changed non REM to not REM

ik

3:20 AM

I didn't point it out

3:20 AM

I knew what you meant

anyone have any advice on how a body host can "un-frontstuck" themselves? or maybe, might someone have a practice that might allow for us to feel that the body is not belonging to the host, so that thoughts and behaviors occurring from it aren't felt to be of the host's by default?

\can we not proxy rn plz

10:26 PM

better

keep working to internalize the concept of being on the same level as the others? Maybe think about what that means, how it works Sorry if it’s not good help

majiq 🐉 they/ask 👽 ↩️

Reply to: anyone have any advice on how a body host can "un-frontstuck" themselves? or maybe, might someone ha…

We read about considering the body as not being the representation of the host and "depersonalize" it to only consider it like a tool. I never had my host to successfully do that yet but it feels like it would be a way to feel at the same level.

We kind of do it that way

I made my own form and changed my name away from the body’s name to try to put me in the same place as my other headmates

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majiq 🐉 they/ask 👽

anyone have any advice on how a body host can "un-frontstuck" themselves? or maybe, might someone have a practice that might allow for us to feel that the body is not belonging to the host, so that thoughts and behaviors occurring from it aren't felt to be of the host's by default?

Well I need help with that sort of.

majiq 🐉 they/ask 👽

anyone have any advice on how a body host can "un-frontstuck" themselves? or maybe, might someone have a practice that might allow for us to feel that the body is not belonging to the host, so that thoughts and behaviors occurring from it aren't felt to be of the host's by default?

ok, here's some ideas that might be helpful, about how hosts work! the way I see it, hosts form naturally in the environment the system grows up in. There isn't really a point at which a host has to think about what they consider to be 'themself'... most hosts just think of the whole body as themself because why not? It's the default view and very reasonable, because the body is pretty much in the control of the host, right? however, you can look at it a different way and focus on the fact that the body actually includes many automatic processes which the host isn't directly in control of. I am not just talking about things like the heartbeat, digestion etc. etc. etc., I am talking about 'muscle memory' to do with how the body moves and things like that most hosts just see these automatic processes as belonging to them, as part of the host, but it's also completely fair to see these automatic things as part of the body rather than the host I've seen this help with systems that feel the host is always stuck fronting, because in many cases there was an expectation that a different headmate fronting would feel very different to the host fronting... but in reality, it's very common for it to feel very similar for other headmates too, because when a different headmate fronts, the body still has all of those automatic and built-in reactions and processes.

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1:09 PM

I think this is just a different and longer way of saying what Tohru said ^w^

it might be too simple for some or not even related, but some breathing exercise helps with things like that. with breathing exercises you can get the feel of how arbitrary ownership of the breath is - it can be automatic, or it can be under your control, and that it's all arbitrary. you can hear from someone that it's arbitrary, but it is much more powerful when you just experience it yourself what it means for something to be arbitrary that's one of the reasons why breathing exercises are foundation of a lot of personal growth/spiritual practices, it builds foundation for insights like the one that alexandra is describing

2:02 PM

in tulpamancy context, it becomes an experience on which you build understanding of how to control something (when you need it), or let it go by itself (when you want your tulpa to be more independent)

2:04 PM

i don't think treating a host or body or anything as a tool is the best way of approaching it. in my opinion understanding that it's all about perception and choice and that you can choose to perceive something as a tool or as the core of your being is much more helpful (and that's an insight you can also carry outside of your tulpamancy practice)

2:07 PM

treating host as a tool is a worrying choice for me in a practice where you want to treat tulpas as real people. if you want to treat tulpas as equal people as the host is, i don't think treating host as a tool is a healthy advice

@kovyxen

2:11 PM

If you didn't see the replies

2:13 PM

tbh the main thing I see causing hosts to feel like they can't leave front, is they are associating not just with the body, but with the stream of conscious awareness. They can't take it with them, so they are "stuck"

Yes.

Thank you for the explanation it makes a lot of sense and I believe this will be helpful to me in achieving my freedom.

y'all got great answers damn lmao, imma have to make some notes about all that ✨ thank you!!

frfr

noticed some doubts of who is speaking, while proxying for Kira, the thoughts didn’t feel like they were coming directly from her, and was worrying if I was just making assumptions or something, because the “direction” it was coming from was not really hers. Looking for some help of can anyone else relate to what I describe?

Luminesce: Vocal clarity/feeling separate is just a skill that starts at zero and can go as high as you take it over time with consistent practice. It's normal to have doubts early on or occasional doubt some ways in, but it's nothing special or meaningful. You can keep improving your tulpa's sense of independence, vocal clarity, and so on through the same things that got you there to begin with, intending for your tulpa to be a separate person in your mind (and giving them practice at that in any of many ways) (edited)

2:45 AM

Like visualization clarity and many other mental skills, a lot of tulpa skills can fade a bit with lack of use, but they can always be improved (and regaining previous bests is usually not as hard as getting to that point the first time)

this right here is going to be so helpful to me I’m sure. Thank you

Luminesce ↩️

Reply to: Like visualization clarity and many other mental skills, a lot of tulpa skills can fade a bit with l…

Luminesce: Doubt stifles progress (by telling your brain "maybe this isn't my tulpa" when it could be), while intent ("This is my tulpa" or "That was not my tulpa, it was only me/fluff thought/invasive thoughts") helps shape and develop progress (edited)

I think overall, At some point I got lost when it comes to tulpamancy things. I think I’m still a little lost, But maybe eventually we’ll figure everything out again.

Shape your experience with intent and it'll become more vivid and clear over time.

sometimes it’s hard to do the right thing.

2:48 AM

less of a confusion lost and more of a wandering around with nothing kind of lost

Skyler 🐉 ↩️

Reply to: I think overall, At some point I got lost when it comes to tulpamancy things. I think I’m still a li…

Luminesce: (As the example every time - my system never has any doubt about who thought what, whether things were "actually them", nor blending issues - though we're a long-time and very accomplished system, it doesn't generally start like this) (edited)

how long?

Well lol, around 13.5 years, but it certainly didn't take that long to reach this point

wow

2:50 AM

how long did it take you to reach that point?

Luminesce: We also had no external assurance about anything tulpa-related until four years in (2014) when we found Tulpa.info, so it's hard to equate our progress before that point to a beginner who's been guided by the community from the start (edited)

2:50 AM

But definitely by 2014 (so four years in) we, having figured out everything on our own, were pretty stable/developed and had few doubts and all.

2:51 AM

But still, that was with zero guidance or even assurance that I wasn't just crazy and all, you know?

2:51 AM

I had to decide myself that I simply had "apparently-sentient imaginary friends, who were real people to me"

we’ve only been around maybe a year and a half so maybe I could try to keep that time in mind as encouragement

Luminesce: I think progress can go much quicker with all the positive affirmation (and positive dis-affirmation when you're thinking in unproductive/negative ways as well) of being in a community like this (edited)

so, i tried milk for the first time today, and the body was expecting a certain flavor, which was not how i experienced it, and it was kinda disorientating. if taylor is fronting, it tastes how the body expects, so its not like it was expired. what im wondering is if its common for flavors to change across people fronting?

not that I recall for us Though there wasn’t much of my headmates eating stuff

even I’m doubting myself when that thing happens…

Taygete

so, i tried milk for the first time today, and the body was expecting a certain flavor, which was not how i experienced it, and it was kinda disorientating. if taylor is fronting, it tastes how the body expects, so its not like it was expired. what im wondering is if its common for flavors to change across people fronting?

Some people have that even apparently different allergies or so even "looks"(default facial expression) so I heard. (edited)

different allergies? we were under the impression that it's more of a physiological response and not something that could be triggered consciously, that would be facinating to look into. definitely aware about different default faces though, despite being the arguably happier one I actually smile less often, and tend to tilt my head when I'm really focusing on something

12:58 PM

^asuming I remember what that word means I should of probably checked it before sending

12:59 PM

yes, part of how the body works, not really related to the mind at all

Taygete

different allergies? we were under the impression that it's more of a physiological response and not something that could be triggered consciously, that would be facinating to look into. definitely aware about different default faces though, despite being the arguably happier one I actually smile less often, and tend to tilt my head when I'm really focusing on something

Yes exactly you could infer different parts of the brain can have different responses when it's active and in control such as effecting the immune system the facial muscles all of this.

and could explain maybe why I'm alright with cheese, but why milk tastes really weird and makes our stomach kinda upset when i drink it? it's not a physical issue with lactose, but rather how my section of the brain processes milk?

Probably.

1:17 PM

It would though be a more likely explanation than psychological. I also believe that Tulpas could be grown with new pathways explaining how some can be "dumb" at first..